Conversation Continues in Studio after Show: 'Should You Call the Cops on Your Kids?'
Do you have a lot to say on today's show about parents who call the cops on their kids and "America's Worst Mom"? Questions with "America's Worst Mom" Lenore Skenazy continue in the studio after the "Anderson" broadcast version finished taping. Watch this web exclusive and join the conversation by answering these five questions...
Answer the following questions:
1. Do you believe in "free-range parenting?"
2. Do you think a parent has failed when they turn to the cops for help with their children?
3. Is calling the cops a sign that a parent has lost control?
4. What would ever cause you to call the cops on your children?
5. Was there ever a time when you needed to solicit expert help for parenting your child?


















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Dr Karen Binder mentioned something like a mother was charged with mental abuse or something like this can you tell me more about this ?
The mother of my daughter's boyfriend screams in front of and to her daughter.I don't think is healthy for the daughter.
I work in hospital at Emergency Department in Mi and I've asked the social worker regarding this issue. She told me that in USA you can call "Child protective services" ,but as long as the child has food and where to sleep and clothes, It's not gonna be done anything against the mother, even if she is screaming all the time in front of her daughter and to her.
Dear Anderson,
Everyone on the stage wanted to take care of their daughters by controlling them like they are robots. No one on the stage even mention the word "Love". I know if you love your child,your child will never want to upset a parent. Children are very smart. They will do well when they know that they are Loved and can feel secured .But will act up if they sense that they are ignored. You saw that on your show.
Mona Chopra.
Anderson, WOW that Dr. is out of her mind!! You need to get better Professionals. I went through the same thing with my teenage daughter, and hve several friends with daughters about the same age, and went through the same thing!!! WOW I REALLY wish I was at that show I am so AGRIVATED!! You Need to have another one PLEASE let me know when it is!! Thanks for letting me get this off my chest. LOVE your show Anderson!! Doing a great job!! 1 URL
I have 5 grandchildren and 1 great grandchild. They range in age from 24 years to 10 months. We keep a pretty tight reign on them and although they are never out of our sight I feel they have a great childhood. We plan things for them to do on week ends and during summer vacations we are even as I am writing this planning a cruise for them. It has been explained to them about the dangers of being attacked and possibly even taken and the consequences of being killed and us never seeing them again. They have an inground pool and a large fenced in back yard and they have friends over any time they want. We absolutely want our kids to have great childhood memories and want them to learn to how to take care of themselves but we also want them to live long lives and share there memories with there own children and grandchildren. I have set many hours watching my grandson ride his sister around our neighborhood on his motor bike creating there childhood memories. The lady dubbed the worst mother in the world is probably a wonderful mother but I prefer knowing I have done everything in my power to keep our kids safe and off the Nancy Grace show.
I was deeply touched to sit and listen to Caryn's story! I wasn't going to comment at first, but after seeing her sit on stage and cry really touched my heart. America as a whole has lost touch with reality! The government has taken our parental rights away from parents by allowing our children to become disrespectful and disobedient. I have three children two boys and one girl. My oldest son was a latch-key child in second grade and was "VERY" responsible. He knew exactly what to do once he got home from school and reported in to me or his stepdad during his time until one of us returned home from work. We had no problems from my youngest son as well. When my daughter was fourteen she lost her dad and she took it very hard! Prior to his death he was a counselor for approximately 34 years. My daughter started acting out! I immediately saw the signs and started to take action! It was my daughter that decided she was not going to get the help we needed to eliminate the situation. She decided to "act" out towards me by going back to her school and lying to her school counselor stating she was being abused by me. This is every parents' NIGHTMARE!! I never abused any of my children, but like it was stated by Caryn earlier, it becomes your word against the child's word after you get the authorities involved. The school sent the police to my home I was not hostile towards him or my daughter, but when I finally got a chance to read the police report I immediately became LIVID! These are the people who are sworn to serve and protect. I have pleaded and tried every avenue including counseling, but my daughter is still acting out. It has been four years since all of this begin and those years can't NEVER be replaced!!! When a parent seeks help for their child, the professionals should do their job to help keep the family together...but then I should be inclined to say if that happened, the social workers and others would be unemployed! Also, to add insult to injury, I am a Certified Communication Specialist who currently works with both children and adults alike, also holding a college degree. I will continue to work with children and adults to make a difference in a positive way. I will not be silent. It's time to wake up America and take back what has been stolen from us!!!!
I am watching the show and I support Caryn totally. I have been there more times then you can know. My daughter was so out of control. All the same things she is going through I have been there done that. What do you do when they run away, lie, steal,do drugs and hurt there sister. I could not get any help from the social service system, they wouldn't help until I got the police involved. When all was said and done, I couldn't wait until she was 18, If I was a bad mother both of my kids would have been bad not just one.
I truly don't even know where to begin. I'm a big Anderson Cooper fan and when I seen the topic of this particular show I was nothing short of intrigued. And then I watched it and the audience responses and the "expert"'s advice was incomphrehensible. The fact that someone had the audacity to say that Karen was a failure as a parent made my blood boil. The fact that the "expert" spent most of her time talking in circles and never answering direct questions or offering up sound advice...or sounded just as bias as half of the audience members, didn't help matters any either.
I am not a parent. I am the oldest child of a single parent.My brother is currently 17 and for the past three to four years he's had his fair share of difficulties. Not only have I had to watch my mom go through everything, but I've had to deal with it as well.We all have. I love my brother to pieces but I've watched my mom exhaust herself with trying to get him on the right track, and I've exhausted myself trying to be supportive as possible in the process. My brother has been involved in many things, truancy, petty theft,he hacks, he steals, he breaks in and enters, trespassing, selling stolen property, stealing from cars, failing grades, running away from anywhere from days to...I believe the longest time he's ran away was a month and a half. He's not one you'd typically classify as violent but there had been an incidents where he tried to. My mother, younger brother (who has special needs of his own) and I actually had a restraining order against him at one point. My mother and I spent every single day trying to reign him in. He broke into our rooms, he stole things from us...we couldn't even give him keys to the house, and we couldn't leave him home w/o one of us being there.
We had to call the cops on him a couple of times.And I don't think there is anything to apologize about in regards to that. He himself had tried a couple of times to call the police on my mother, claim he was being abused, neglected, not fed. He'd tell others so that they could call on his behalf. Fortunately they found the allegations to be false...because my brother is too rebellious, too defiant, and too disrespectful to any and every authority figure, that eventually his true colors always shine through to most around him. He was involved with an older woman, which was technically statutory rape.
My mother did everything...she still continues to do everything. We've done counseling, family counseling, individual counseling, reward systems and other forms of postive reinforcement.There have been support meetings, groups, and programs. We reached out to agencies and centers seeking help.I'm a graduate of a private school with a dual degree in Criminal Justice and Psychology. My mother is an active member of the community,she helps at risk youth, battered women, single mothers and young moms, she advocates for special needs children. She also has her hands full enough with my youngest brother who has Asperger's and partially deaf. Be it counselors or cops the same things were happening. We'd be sent in circles...told that things couldn't be done unless he was more at risk. He had to get into more trouble in order to be eligible for many programs. Even mentoring programs were a bust...he was on the waiting list to recieve a mentor for 10 YEARS. Both my mother and I in dealing with his everyday behaviour have surmised that he may be suffering from something mentally. We sent him to counselors, some said he was fine, others said they suspected a few issues but paperwork kept getting shuffled and we kept getting sent in every direction imaginable. we had counselors telling us to just "let him be". He ended up in juvenile court, being sent to juvenile facilities...but still wasn't "troubled" enough to actually recieve some services or help...plus they never make all of these services known or available. I can spend six pages just discussing how deplorable and ineffective juveniles facilties are. Hell, the overaged woman having sex with my brother the minor..was working at one of them. He's still troubled, still falling through the cracks, still wreaking havoc on the lives of everyone around him...and all we can do is pray and hope that things get better.
So watching this program with all of these people who most likely have no idea what it's like to deal with any of this...stand in judgment and degrade a woman and her parenting skills was despicable. And listening to an expert tell parents that counseling will help and to basically "try harder" was appalling. What does a parent do when they've done all that they could? I've watched my own mother get both criticized for calling the police on my brother, or for raising a kid who turned out so troubled, and basically be blamed for his being the way that he is. I've also seen my mother get praised by other parents who finally seen someone dealing with the same things they were dealing with...praised by the judge who also tried everything that she could to help my brother. I felt for Karen...because in a way it was like watching my mother..because I know what it's like, how frustrating it is, how emotionally and physically draining it is..with people judging you the entire time.
I think it's so easy to blame these parents and criticize the when a person hasn't experienced it themselves. Some kids out there are uncontrollable, and sometimes it does take law enforcement to get involved. You're damning the parents either way, because if they ignore the child's destructive, rebellious behavior than the parents are still held accountable for it, for being neglectful, but if parents call the police they're still made to seem like horrible people. Isn't it better to nip the behaviour in the bud before unleashing a child into the world to further get into deeper trouble with the law that may effect the general public? I found the cop to be equally as frustrating. Parents are held legally responsible and can get into legal trouble if their child is truant. So if their kid continues to miss school the parent is held responsible for it, but if the parent calls the cops on their truant child they're horrible parents abusing the system? there is no winning! Corporal punishment as at the very least discouraged (although we've actually had a cop or two suggest that we do it...), so parents can be held liable for child abuse if they physically punish their child. Counseling strives for reward systems and positive reinforcement which gives wiggle room for a child to never be held accountable for their negative behavior. And we teach young kids at an early age to call the cops. We as a society have restricted parents, tied their hands, but in the process have given children control and power...and yet frown upon or attack the parent for trying to work within the realms of what they've been given and seeking help from the system. What do parents do when couseling doesn't work? what do they do when they can't afford counseling anymore? or when services are backed up? Or when they aren't available because their child doesn't fit the criteria? What do parents do when potential services they could utilize aren't even made known to them? What do parents do when no matter how hard the push forward and advocate for their child getting the help that he/she deserves they run into obstacles, lost paperwork,red tape,technicalities? because I've watched my mom face all of that for years! Her entire life has revolved around a troubled child for years, our entire household has revolved around a troubled child for years. I've watched her exhaust every possibilty she can, devote every waking hour to doing all that she could. I don't count her as a failure. I don't consider her as bad parent. The notion that all children are a reflection of their parents is an embellished fallacy. I graduated from a prestigous college that I attended on a full academic scholarship, with a degree in Psychology and Criminal Justice, and am currently in Law School. My brother is a troubled teenager with learning disabilites, a more than likely undiagnosed mental disorder, who has had run ins with the law.Same strong, healthy household, different kids. My point in saying that isn't even to speak negatively about my brother whom I love, but rather to point out that troubled kids are not always the result of crappy parents. Having an Uncontrollable and/or troubled child/teen can happen to anyone...regardless of parenting skills. Good parents can still have troubled children.
As someone who studies Psychology, I found the Dr, her advice, and her inability to be impartial, objective, or even helpful for that matter insulting to the field. It seemed like the entire show veered towards attacking these poor parents on stage rather than actually attempting to understand what they were going through. I felt as though I were watching someone stand in front of a firing squad. It left me speechless when I found that save for that one gentleman no one in the audience had anything sympathetic to say. I've seen more diverse opinions on this issue in the comments. I hate that those women were practically villanized for their actions. I just hope that by my and many others commenting that parents like those on today's show know that they are not alone, and that people like those in the audience cast their judgments aside long enough to see that this issue is prevalent and that not all parents seeking out help from the authorites are bad parents. But most importantly (even though I know that if it did happen to them they'd be able to fully comprehend it) I hope they never have to deal with what those parents on the show and some of the parents and relatives and friends commenting dealt with.
the lady that followed her daughter into the bathroom, ok thats extreme. I'm glad to see that shes trying to change, because smothering your kids, I think is a form of child abuse. I think it make kids afraid to experience things in life and that's not fair, as humans we learn from our mistakes.
The principal problem that seems to not be observed by anybody is coming from the law, this law that don’t give you the right (like parent) to act after your own rules.
1. Is a very bad thing to teach them, actually to urge them in daycares to call the police against their parents. Probably been some cases when kids suffer abuse from their parents, but this is not the rule. We, parents, we know better what is good for our kids than any other person (even that person have good intentions).
2. Is a stupid thing (written in the law) to not let any kid alone at home if his age is under 12, or to not let him under surveillance under 12. This thing create to many kids that feeling they are overprotected. When I had 7 years, I start to go very often in a grocery store to buy things, replacing my mother who had something better to do. When I been 8 years old I start to go to take my young brother (who had 4 years at that time) from daycare. To do that, I had to take a bus, to walk on the streets, to arrive at the daycare, to take my brother and to return back home. And I did these 3 years. At the age at 12 I start to travel alone with a train. My parents was not afraid, me also; and I travelled for a distance more than 250 Km.
3. Is not good at all to let a kid without any responsibility until at age of 12, and start to charge him with something to do after this age. We have to teach them gradually with responsibilities.
4. I teach my kids in the way I’ve been taught by my parents even I have to fight against this stupid system that is here in Canada. They are very happy and confident in their own forces. Doing like that is not any place for Police in our home.
I am listening to all of this and feel compelled to say that while they have good intentions, the parents in your audience who have not been similarly situated cannot understand fully the impact of a teen or pre-teen who acts out in the manner that is the subject of your show today. Basically they don't know what they are talking about. It is always easy to have the answers when it is not you. Please do not mention my name on air to protect my privacy and my child's and my former employer's. I was a good, attentive, involved parent and still had issues with my daughter. I live in California and it is required here that you report a runaway to the police if they are under the age of 14 or the parent can be charged with neglect (or worse if the child gets injured). The police in my community did not actively search but always took a report and put my daughter in the computer system so if she was seen they would pick her up and yes, return her to me. They also notified neighboring jurisdictions. I was an employee of, and am now retired from, Superior Court as is her dad. Even with my knowledge and my best parenting skills I was ill equiped to deal with her behavior. I placed my daughter in counseling, individual and family (her father and I are divorced), placed her in specialized classes, used reward systems, consequences and still our final action had to be residential treatment when she was 14. I became an advocate for her in ways I never knew I could. I learned about special needs, mental health and the OBLIGATION school districts in this state have to provide an education to students even though those special needs exist. These programs are not publicized so you have to ask questions until someone answers you. Take advantage of every source of information until you find out how to proceed and what rights your child has. Even after being in in-patient treatment several times I had to fight the county for a placement until finally she received one. She went AWOL twice and we (my ex-husband and I) brought her back to the facility each time. She finally decided to work the program. She was discharged just prior to her 16th birthday, attended day treatment then continuation school and finally transitioned back to a mainstream high school for her senior year. She graduated on time with her class even though the school district warned me she would not. To me that was unacceptable so I dragged her through to graduation with a B+ GPA. My daughter was angry with me for a long time about the residential treatment but I really cared more that my actions were saving her life than that she was mad at me. It was an exhausting three years but I was not willing to give up on her even when she wanted to give up on herself. She came to regret her behavior and apologize for it and is grateful now. I had to wait years to hear it but she was still alive, not on drugs, not in jail, and had her high school diploma. In closing let me say that I feel even with all the effort it took, I was still lucky that WE succeeded. I say WE because she came to work as hard as I did for her success. She is 34 now and doing very well with her life. Thanks for letting me comment; I hope this helps your parents from today's show.
1. As a parent you can have general methods of parenting and I think free range can be effective. But as a parent you must also realize that parenting methods are not a one size fits all. You must be aware of other effective methods and parent the way that is the best fit for the child.
2. Absoutely not has the parent failed. I was shocked at the other mothers in the audience for pointing the finger. These mothers are trying and I can provide thousands of cases where parents do not try at all. I challenge those mothers that dare to judge to stand up and say they are flawless in all of their parenting methods.
3. Lets not forget that in school you are sent to the principal's office for misbehaving. I don't feel the teacher has "lost control". Of course parents must be in control but the guests on the show are in unique circumstances. If police and paramedics feel their resources are being wasted then the government should provide the appropriate resources for these situations. Why are we upset at parents who are asking for help. We should be thankful they are asking for help.
4. If they were harmful to themself or others.
5. Of course. While my children are young, I've researched potty training, proper discpline, eating habits, colds, etc. I will read all resources available. I even took my child to the doctor when my 4 year old still would not go to the potty. I would be doing more harm by not seeking guidance.
I can't believe the woman in the audience had the gall to say a parent is a failure if they call the police on their child. I hope her child never does anything wrong!!! I have a small child who has a mood disorder and has the tendency to get very violent. While we are seeking counseling which took a lot of time and effort to find something affordable and worth while now prior to counseling I thought I would be the mom on a talk show that gets beaten by her kid. He is going to be a lot taller than I am and he is already possessing a super strength and has hurt me in the past and he is only seven currently. I have had my parents come pick up my older son so he would not get hurt when our younger son is on a rampage, but if they were not around I would have to have called the police. Does that make me a failure, not in my eyes it makes me a better mother by knowing my limits and knowing how I can protect the rest of my family. While things have calmed down with the help of counseling who knows what the teenage years will bring! Do I hope and pray that all that we are doing now sticks and he remembers all the tools and skills we are trying to teach him now as he gets older, sure, but there is no telling what choices he will make. I can only guide him and make him understand there are consequences for his actions (good or poor) and if when he gets older one of the consequences will be me calling the police then I will have to get over that and do it! As a society we need to get over the fact that we should not be too hard on our kids and realize they need tough discipline and consequences and consistency!
1. Do you believe in "free-range parenting?"
What she doesn't realize is even the free-range chickens have a fence around the farm and the farmers have guns. i can't believe this woman just because she wants to be free willy nilly with her child, don't preach to us trying to fatten the pot for child molesters. is she giving these parents Real advice on safety? NO, she's just telling what they are doing wrong. Hopefully she never feels the pain of her "My city is safe, I trust it" 'mental' ity.
2. Do you think a parent has failed when they turn to the cops for help with their children? Yes unless the child has recent drug issues.
3. Is calling the cops a sign that a parent has lost control?
yes
4. What would ever cause you to call the cops on your children?
If they have hurt someone (crime-wise)
5. Was there ever a time when you needed to solicit expert help for parenting your child? No and i raised a black son by myself with absolutely no help (financially) and he is a great young respectful man.
regarding bubble wrapped kids; Does anyone else think a lot of the problem is because p[arents are starting families when tghey are OLD? When you understand your own mortality, youre going to create wimpy, paranoid kids.
Karyn, you are not a failure! THE ONLY WAY TO FAIL IS NOT TO TRY. People forget that kids are also people capable of making their own decisions. You can try to "control" them but in the end they are going to make their own decisions even if they are extremely bad.