How Young is Too Young to Discipline Your Child?
Linnette spanks her two-and-a-half-year-old daughter because she says she’s “Little Miss Attitude,” and disrespectful.
“What is so wrong with a child thinking 'Oh my God, if I do this, my mom's going to kill me'?” asks Linnette, adding, “You're not literally going to kill her, but it means that there are consequences and they need to learn young that there are consequences to bad behavior, because if not, the authorities will.”
Do you agree with Linnette? At what age should a child start to be disciplined? Is spanking ever an acceptable way to discipline a child? Continue the conversation.


















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I dont understand why you guys have to spank them. sounds like you guys are all raising bad kids, spank them, how often do you spank them, seems often, so therefore I doesn't work does it. if you have to keep spanking them time and time again over the years, that means it's not working.
i raised a girl, she is 15 now. I spanked her once when she was 4 years old, I slapped her on the leg, and told her NO, why? because I repeatedly told her no, not to draw on the walls for like 2 weeks, and I guess one day I was tired of it, she never drew on the walls again, I have never spanked her again. because she knew that day, when I said NO. in that tone. that was my limit. I have son now, he is 2 years old, he is a great little boy, haven't spanked him, how could i. he doesn't even fully understand language. so it's stupid to hit a child that young. will I spank him later, I don't think, I hope not, I hope I can find other ways to win. like just leading him by example, and teaching him right from wrong.
Hitting, slapping, spanking, whipping, humiliating, bullying, intimidating, pushing, forcing a child to clean his/her plate after they are full, sending someone to bed with no supper, threatening, biting a child because they bit you while teething, using love as a weapon, beating someone with a leather strap while telling them its only because you love them, or because they are bad and deserve it, telling a child no one else would even want them...on and on. If you use any of these tactics on a child, you have failed as a parent. How can you convince yourself that these methods are acceptable? They are cruel and usually inflicted by an adult who cannot control themselves emotionally. In what other context of civilized society are you allowed to use these methods on another person because you don't approve how they act,talk,do/don't respond to you? Honestly? At work..a restaurant..corporate meeting..church..grocery store? Nowhere else, Nada, None! I can think of only one exception. In the privacy of your home or basement or shed...and most importantly, it is NOT a crime, ONLY if you do these things to a child,,,Go ahead let the justification begin! I understand why you don't see these "disciplinary" actions as sick and cruel and crippling. Because only a person who was sick, cruel and crippled could do this to a child..and who needs to deal with that kind of self actualization...
They don't know the difference b/re fear and respect? Come again?
I was spanked and I thank Jesus for it and I recommend it. It taught me that there is a consequence for my actions. I knew that as long as I did what was good I never had to worry about a spanking. However, If I decided to do what was bad I may have gotten a spanking. For example, when I was a young child my only responsibilities were do well in school, clean my room and to take out the trash. Mother taught me to show love and respect to her and others. When my Mom said to "do" my job was to be obedient. Was I ALWAYS obedient? Nope. Did I ALWAYS get spanked? Nope. However, I new that If I kept pushing her buttons it was coming and that's what kept me out of serious trouble. I had two options:
1: If I listen show respect and focus on my responsibilities I got rewarded and had lots of fun.
2: If I chose not to listen and and be disrespectful and not focus on my responsibilities a spanking was coming.
The choice was simple. This is one of the reasons why I avoided trouble. Doing good made my childhood extremely fun! Doing bad just did not add up to enjoyment. Things like Getting A's in school= FUN AND GAMES. Things like stealing and starting fights could= A SORE BUM lol. I got spank I think maybe 5 times total with the belt or hand exposed butt or not. Most of the time I knew what I did and saw them coming lol. I did what I knew was wrong and I wanted to do my own thing.
I remember when I was 14 I was told to take out the trash. I was playing video games and I forgot... Maybe an hour went past and I felt a pop of a cupped hand on the back of my head and then I instantly remembered what I forgot to do lol. My mom would always teach me why not to do something and never experienced hypocrisy. My mom smoked and she told me never do it. I asked why? She then explained to me what addiction was and nobody was perfect. So if I did not listen I would suffer the consequence. Just like with our laws. If you steal form someone you can go to jail or get fined and have that crap on you record. I would rather get a spanking, cry, and receive ice cream from mom and know all things were better and forgiven. Thanks Mom!!! I love you!!!!
I would like to comment on the spanking issue, My husband and i were both spanked as children and we both spank our kids. We have a daughter age 10 and a son age 8. We have explained to our children that we spank them not to be mean but because we love them and it is our duty to raise them to be respectful,polite and honest citizens in the community. In response to spanking teaching them lack of compassion and promoting violence i have to say that is one of the most ignorant statements i have ever heard. My children are so loving and affectionate that they would love to spend 24-7 with us snuggling and just being with us. My kids don't fear us what so ever and don't ever hate us for spanking them. I have been told every year that my son has been going to school by his teachers that he is the most thoughtful, kind, caring and conciancious child they have ever had in their classroom and they said they wished more kids would be like him and what a good job we have done raising him. Every time we go out in public or to a restraunt other people are commenting on how well behaved our kids are and tell us thank you for raising them right. Now you can't tell me that spanking has damaged their behavior, in fact my kids recognize bad behavior in other kids and have told us that they are glad we dicipline them so they don't act that way. I am not saying everyone should spank their kids, not all kids need to be spanked but for the ones that do i don't think anyone has the right to judge the parents for it. Everyone is saying how the next generation is going to be terrible but then they ridicule people for doing something about it. I also think it is important for people to realize the differance between spanking and abuse because there is a big diffrance. I don't know if my kids will spank their kids or not but i do know that they will be good people because they were. Sincerely Jody Masuen a caring and loving mother of two.
I watched the show Friday and had some comments about spanking. There are three primary methods of conditioning. The first is operant conditioning (including reinforcement and punishment - developed by B. F. Skinner), the second is classical conditioning (developed by Ivan Pavlov), and the third is observational conditioning (developed by Albert Bandura). Classical conditioning is typically not very effective when used on humans (very effective on other species within the kingdom animalia, however).
We'll focus on reinforcement and punishment first. Both are broken into two subcategories: positive and negative. Positive reinforcement is when a response is followed by the addition of a reinforcing stimulus (ex: after receiving good grades on his/her report card, the child is given a new video game). Negative reinforcement is when a response is followed by the subtraction of an aversive stimulus (ex: after a child's grades have improved, the child's television privileges are reinstated). Think of positive as adding something good, and negative as subtracting something bad. Positive punishment is when a response is followed by the addition of an aversive stimulus (ex: spanking the child for bad grades). Negative punishment is when a response is followed by the subtraction of a reinforcing stimulus (ex: taking away television privileges for bad grades). Think of positive as adding something bad and negative as subtracting something good. Here's primarily where they differ: reinforcement is used to increase the likelihood that a behavior will be repeated; punishment is used to decrease the likelihood that a behavior will be repeated. The greater the consistency and shortness of delay of reinforcement/punishment, the greater the level of conditioning. Notice "consistency and shortness of delay" is mentioned - severity is not.
The only subcategory to be concerned with is positive punishment. Studies show that positive punishment works best in the beginning because it instills fear (the child is fearful of the pain associated with spanking); however, positive punishment tactics decrease in effectiveness over time. This is partly because the fear usually turns into anger and even hatred. Reinforcement techniques are more sustainable. Let me give you a real life application: governing a child is not much different than governing a country. Look at governments governed by "love." The majority of them throughout history were very successful for a very long time. Now look at the governments governed by "fear." The majority of them were very successful at first, but eventually the citizens revolted (in fact this is how our country came into existence). By spanking your child, you will see desirable and immediate results, but years down the road you will begin to reap what you sow because the child will most likely become more aggressive and antisocial (studies by Elizabeth Gershoff and many others have found there to be a positive correlation between level of spanking as children and level o****gression and antisocial behavior as adolescence/young adults - positive correlation is not a good thing in this instance), and they will be more likely to depart from you. Most parents who spank their children have a hard time seeing this because the side effects don't arise until years down the road. Think about this: if a pellet is presented as soon as a mouse hits a button, then the mouse will begin to associated the button with food. However, if the pellet is presented a day after the mouse hits the button, then the mouse will not come to associate the button with food. The same concept applies to spanking because the side effects arise so long after the spanking and not immediately. One area where reinforcement and punishment contradict is in the area of love and fear. It's hard to love something that you fear. For example, is it possible for you to love a spider if you suffer from arachnophobia? This may be extreme but the point still holds true. This contradiction often leads to the child being confused about their responsibilities. I'll give you a real life example. My mother always conditioned me via reinforcement and negative punishment techniques; my father always conditioned me via positive punishment techniques. Today I am very close with my mother; however, today I don't know wither my father is dead or alive. My father would get me every other weekend (after their divorce) and I recall spending most of the weekend with a headache and nausea because I was so stressed. I was constantly worried if I would do something that would elicit a spanking. This level of stress has detrimental effects on the child as well. In the end, I came to fear my father more than love him.
Now let me venture observational conditioning. When you act, your child sees this and comes to believe it's acceptable behavior. I'm sure all parents at some point have found their child imitating them. Children's brains are primed for imitation. This is how they learn language. No one teaches them to speak, they jus*****ch their parents do it, and they imitate. The same think applies to spanking. When a child sees his parent spanking them, they come to think it is acceptable to hit others. You may say "But my child knows the difference between me spanking them and them hitting someone else." This assumption is not true, however. Here is an example: when a child asks for the first time "What is that?" and you say "It's a dog." Then when the child sees a cat, they may say "Look, a dog!" This is because they know what a dog is, but when they see another four legged furry animal they think it to also be a dog. The same concept applies to spanking. They are unable to reason why there is a difference between you hitting them, and them hitting a kid at school. As a parent, you must understand your child's very limited cognitive ability. Children can understand concrete questions and answers such as "What color is this chair?" - the answer may be "Brown." They cannot understand abstract questions and answers like "What is respect and what does it mean to live respectfully?" Some adult philosophers are still contemplating this question, so how do you expect a child to fully understand it?
Many studies have been conducted on the effects of positive punishment as a conditioning method on children. Some have tried to better understand the child's mind. This is important because if I ask you "What does it mean to be a three year old?" You cannot answer this question objectively. Here is why: though you were once a three year old, you remember nothing from those years. Here's an analogy: let's say you get really drunk at a party one night and a friend teaches you to play poker because you never knew how. The next day, you cannot recall the previous night due to your level of intoxication. My question then is "Do you know how to play poker?" If the knowledge is predicated on the experience, then yes; but if the knowledge is predicated on the memory, then no. What's important to understand is that knowledge is dependent on both the experience and the retention of the experience (memory). So just because you were a three year old once, doesn't mean you know what it means to be a three year old now because you have the experience but not the memory. You can of course imagine what it is like for you to be a three year old, but that's not the question at hand. The question at hand is: what is it for a three year old to be a three year old - a question you cannot answer objectively. So while you may think that your child is learning respect by your methods of positive punishment, I assure you they are not (I explain why in the next paragraph). You may say that your parents spanked you and you turned out ok, but this is more of the exception than the norm. Also you may not actually be as ok as you think. Self-identity is often inaccurate because it is difficult for us to evaluate ourselves objectively.
Now that this metaphysical conundrum has been resolved, I continue with my discussion of the psychology experiments on the effects of spanking children. When a child misbehaves and is spanked, the psychologist would ask the child privately about their thoughts and feelings of the spanking. I assure you not one answered "I now know what it means to be respectful." Common answered included "Mommy doesn't like me anymore" and "I did a bad thing." While the later may be a positive revelation, the former certainly is not. These experiments hold true because it is a three year old commenting on the experience of a three year old, and not an adult commenting on the experience of a three year old. If you decide to try this at home, you must get someone else to question the child and they must not lead the child by saying things such as "Do you feel sad?" but instead leave the questions open for personal expression such as "How do you feel?" In this way, demand characteristics can be eliminated and the integrity of the scientific method upheld. If you don't believe that children have a different and unknowable perspective than adults, let me give you this example: infants in the sensorimotor stage of cognitive development do not posses a quality known as object permanence. If a nine month old is playing with a ball and it rolls under the couch (out of view), they do not go looking for it because they do not understand that it continues to exist even though it cannot be sensed. This is also why infants find "peek-a-boo" so entertaining. The fact that the ball no longer exists may seem absurd to you, but to the child it appears as a necessary truth.
If we accept the premise that hitting someone is not respectable, then isn't if awfully hypocritical of parents how spank to expect respect when they themselves are exhibiting such disrespect? That's no different than a parent telling a child "Do not cuss" only for the parent to then cuss like a sailor. It is best if reinforcement techniques are used from birth. Once the damage of positive punishment has been done, it can be difficult for reinforcement techniques to be effective (but not impossible). Here are some tactics to effectively change a child's behavior without side effects:
*Reinforce an incompatible behavior. For instance, if you're trying to decrease a child's whining, respond to their requests only when they talk in a normal tone of voice.
*Stop reinforcing problem behavior. For instance, if your child is whining and you give in, this simply reinforces whining.
*Reinforce the non-occurrence of problem behavior. For instance, if you're trying to reduce bickering between your children, set an appropriate time limit, and then provide positive reinforcement if they have not bickered during that time interval.
*Remove the opportunity to obtain. For instance, time-out. The time-out begins as soon as the child begins to exhibit undesirable behavior, and ends as soon as the behavior is under control.
*Use induction - a discipline technique that combines parental control with explaining why a behavior is prohibited. Induction enhances the child's ability to reason. This includes:
**The reason for prohibition of behavior (the why behind the what)
**The consequences associated with the behavior.
**The effect of the child's behavior on others and/or themselves.
*Role model
*Use positive and negative reinforcement techniques as primary techniques and negative punishment only if needed, but never positive punishment (spanking).
It's important to not discipline the child upon the debut of a problem behavior because children learn through trial and error. For instance, a child doesn't come out of the womb already knowing how to walk - they learn this through trial and error. Just the same, a child doesn't come out of the womb with a full understanding of ethics. So how can you punish a child if he didn't know the act was wrong? The first time an offense occurs, simply use induction. By disciplining them on the very first occurrence, it deters them from trying got learn via trial and error in the future. Of course, second offenses are grounds for discipline. It's also important to understand that learning takes place over time. Parents often get impatient and resort to positive punishment so they can see immediate results, but the long term benefits outweigh the short term. It's also important to pick your battles because a parent who is too controlling will stifle the child which can lead to lack of trust, autonomy, initiative, attachment, and self-esteem. The primary focus of discipline should always be to effectively condition the child, not to satisfy the parent's ego by exhorting control over an inferior being (this happens more than you'd think). The mark of a superior disciplinary is to implement effective discipline without ever letting the child forget they love them.
There are three primary parenting styles. The first is authoritarian (my father's style) - when the parents are demanding and unresponsive toward their child's needs and desires. This is the worst parenting style and can often end with children becoming moody, irritable, unhappy, fearful, and withdrawn. The second is permissive - where the parents are extremely tolerant and not demanding. They can either be indulgent, where they are more responsive to their child's needs or desires, or indifferent, where they are less responsive to their child's needs or desires. Permissive parenting often leads to immature and impulsive children. The third is authoritative (my mother's style) - where parents set clear standards for their child's behavior and are also responsive to their child's needs and desires. This is the best parenting style and children often end up cheerful, socially competent, energetic, and friendly. Here are some important aspects of a parent:
*Let your child know you love them.
*Listen to your child.
*Work with your child as much as possible as opposed to against them.
*Understand your child's age related cognitive abilities and limitations.
*Don't expect perfection.
There is much more to be said about this issue, but I will end here seeing as all the basics have been covered. Please excuse the lack of flow to this comment; I'm scribbling this comment between my classes.
Growing up I was spanked. Did it help? Sure did...helped to make me feel INSECURE and WORTHLESS...if my parent loved me why would they hurt me????
Having my own child I have not spanked and have a loving, respectful person who is growing up to have a great respect for what is right and wrong in the world.
At the times that I have become frustrated with parenting, I realized that it was my issues and not my childs...coming to that realization helped me to understand what works and what is RIGHT.
I disagree with the woman who said that even the controlled calm discipline of spanking is wrong. I feel the 3 mothers on the couch are in the right, and are not abusing their children. My heart broke for the 16 y/o girl who's father is a judge, now THAT is not only physical abuse, but emotional and psychological abuse as well! I cringed watching the video. I totally understand her forgiveness toward her mother and her rationality about her feelings toward her father.. she is an exceptional young lady..
My philosophy & the one my mother taught me - you only need to spank a child about 3-5 times in life when they're about 2-3 & you'll never have to do it again (& let me define spanking - I think the spank should be the same strength as what you'd do if you were playing - it's not pain you're after it's setting up boundaries). I have used that philosophy on my kids (who are now 9, 6 & 6) & it has worked perfectly! Never angrily - in fact it's harder to do when they are that age because you don't really get angry with them yet - but to teach them consequences - they aren't old enough to use logic yet.
There are so many flawed arguments on this show. Hitting a wife is not comparable to spanking a child. Demanding obedience from a wife is not comparable to teaching a child to be obedient. It's called obedience before it's called respect. A dog learns obedience from consequences because you can't use logic with them. Same with children - you teach obedience until they are old enough to reason with & then it (hopefully) turns to respect. A wife doesn't "obey" her husband - she respects him & that's why there is cooperation between them. My kids don't fear me - they respect me, love me & want the happy times & laughter that we usually have (I do have unusually happy children). They don't even fear the consequences. My daughter occasionally makes a choice knowing there will be consequences but she explains in her little 9 yr old way that taking the consequence later was a better choice than obeying at the moment - that's not called fear that's called logic. Now that she's 9 the consequence isn't spanking anymore - it's being grounded from TV or computer or from going to a party (depending on how bad the disobedience was).
A child that is 2-3 starts to act out & challenge boundaries. I agree that not all children need to be spanked. I agree that using Time Outs is the best thing when you're at home - I also always counted so they knew something unpleasant was going to happen when I got to 1 (I count down from 5). At home it would be a time out - when they got older it would be a toy in the trash (depending on how bad they were behaving or how many warnings they had). I also never do any of this out of anger. When I'm really angry they are sent to their room until I cool down or until my husband gets home. But there does come a time when they are around 3 they really test you - with my boys it happened in a week's time - the spankings happened within that week & I haven't needed to spank again. They know I'm serious & when I get to 1 (which I never do anymore) something unpleasant will happen - which they don't even know what because I never get there anymore.
Here's the thing - I haven't abused spanking - I adore my children. I'm seldom angry with them or angry in general - so what I'm saying feels balanced & right for my family. But I'm not comfortable with even my husband spanking - he gets angry & has done it out of frustration. So I asked early on that he not spank the children at all. I think very few people use spanking "correctly" or as minimally as it should be done. So I can see, like all things, sometimes you have to take away the "right" to do something because the majority of people don't use it correctly.
But to not understand that sometimes it really does work out (as I think it has in my family) is also unbalanced. There are the exceptions to the rule.
About the show on spanking I spanked my kids when they were naughty. And, they grew up to be great adults with great repect for me and for any adults. When, my grandkids get out of line they get spanked also. As far as what the one lady that said a 10m year old in a store having a temper tantrum that, that was just a kid acting out. By, the time my kids got that age they knew how to act in a grocery store or they knew that they were in trouble when we got home. Even my grand kids act better than that in the store. I think that tapping them on the butt when they are little is o.k. it teaches them bounderies. And, both of my girls would never accept a man hitting them they would probably turn around and slug them back.
I agree with some of these post and disagree with the rest. I'm 25 and I was spanked as a child, I am a very respectful person I am a strong Person and I feel that my mother and father raised me right.. i feel that discipline and abuse are not even close to the same thing.. spanking has been in my family im a nurse my cousins are lawyers and teachers and one is in the military so i dont feel that its wrong we all excelled in life i feel that ppl use spanking as a excuse if there not were they want to.. also from personal experience a family friend was taking to court by his own daughter for disciplining her for her telling him to (shut the f*** up and that he wasnt her father) it went to trial and he was found NOT GUILTY by 12 JURORS so in my eyes if in the court of law its not illegal to discipline your child then its your CHOICE to do so.. everyone has the right to choice how they will discipline there children weather its by spanking the time out corner or taking things from them ( i know that taking my things from never worked for me cause it didnt bother me) and for these ppl that toss out the adult********* adults come on now adults should know better.. the topic is how young is to young to discipline a child.. not anything about adults i think thats just a wayfor some ppl to try to win the argument.. because so many ppl do spank... thank you for anybodys time that has read this and im not out to make anybody bad this is just the way i feel
I am watching the show right now about spanking your children. I realize that many parents spank their children, but I feel like this needs to end. I was spanked as a child and I did not learn anything from it, I just learned to be afraid of it. My husband and I have two beautiful children 4 and 7years old. I have never even thought about striking them for any reason. I can honestly say that they are very well behaved and happy children. We use a "time out" method for their appropriate age, as well as when my second grader has issues, then we take things like T.V time or Wii time away. These women make me feel upset when they talk about how they spank their 2 year olds? Come on and 2 year old can not possibly understand fully why they are getting hit in the first place.
i am 15 years old and spanking does not work let me say one thing it hurts for about 2 or 3 mintues and thats it. when parents take away my phone or tv or computer it hurts wayyyyyyyy more than a little spank and to tell u the truth if i was going to get spanked every time i did something wrong i would do it.but if i was going to have one of my privliges taken away i would not do it at all!!!
I am not a parent, but I do know that parenting is the toughest job in the world and respect people that do it properly.
I strongly believe that it is wrong to spank a child at any age. Yes it is abuse. Anything that hurts, verbal, physical, etc. is abuse. Children do not learn lessons from being spanked, they learn fear and mistrust.
Children should feel safe at home and not afraid. Whatever someone experiences as a child forms who they are when they grow up. Parents who are thinking that spanking is okay, should think again, because they are messing with their childs mind.
I love and respect my parents because they provided for me, and I know they even love me. I even forgive them for spanking my siblings and I as children because that was all they knew, they were spanked as children so they spanked their children. STOP THE CYCLE EVERYONE.
I strongly believe that if I hadn't been spanked I would have been more successful. I have had low self esteem, and have held back from doing a lot of things. I also believe that it has made it difficult for me to have healthy relationships with other people just because I don't trust people.
you may be thinking what does that have to do with spanking?? for the longest time I just thought I was extremely shy, but guess what, I'm not shy. I just have major trust issues. and it all stems from my childhood.
So parents stop spanking and messing with your child's well being.
The show is unfair to the 3 dedicated moms who are working so hard to bring up their children to become good human being. I hope they find a better show so they can be praised and appreciated for standing up to the 2 bully expert who I think really do not give a care for our future generation. I do not think these expert have been around many young kids. They are in this business so that they can support The Pharmaceutical company who will benefit from children that are misbehave. Anderson do you know How many young children are given perscrition drugs at school because teachers cannot control their behavior. I think you need to work at school for a while to understand the whole subject before you have a discussion on this subject and only side to one opinion. The expert are close minded and not open to people who are the one dealing with the daily life situation. They will not be there when our kids when they are in trouble, and they will just point fingers and blame the parent. I hope the system will have better people than those 2 who are supposedly well educated.